25 or 6 to 4 -- CTA

Bob - Surprise!! I aligned the original guitars, because I was bored. :-)

@CopyCat : Nobody cares

Also submitted a replacement BT with 4-count.

@CopyCat : I care. Lol. Unfortunately, I can't get it to play on my phone. I'll have to wait until Wednesday when I get home. Looking forward to it, and getting back on the drums.

@Bob : My bad, I forgot you were away from home.

Maybe there doesn't need to be any kind of cue at the beginning. Some people are good at coming in on time just by watching the numbers count before the song starts. Or they can come in on the second note like Clay did. I think it would sound fine either way. If they can nail the first note by chance, we know that'll work. Or if they come in on the second note with the bass, that will sound like it was intended to be that way. Honestly Bob, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most likely, they're gonna check the "BT only" box and not hear any cue anyway. Like you said, any cue we add really needs to be in the BT track which has already been established and used by us. Technically, if you really wanted to provide that cue for the guitarist, the BT could be remade in a way that does sync up to our recorded tracks. Let me know if you want that, and I could do it in a few minutes using my studio one software. The trick is to download the current BT and start a new song in studio using that, to make it play in sync with our tracks. But really, it's probably not such a big issue to most guitarists here at BH. They will most likely just do their best with no cue, listening to the BT only as they record. But like I said, I am willing to replace the current BT with one that has a good cue or count in. Either way, whatever. Did I answer all three questions there, or did I miss something? :)

You did, thanks. Let's hold off and see who comes in. Btw, are you on Facebook? Have you joined the FB Bandhug group? Jimmi and Gary are both on and today Jimmi posted a request asking any old Bandhug members if they had the tracks he recorded for a banhub Collab of 25 or 6 to 4. Gary answered that he might have them. That would be the one you and Clay did. I looked on my computer and found an mp3 audio only version with me on it, but I can tell not you, Jimmi or Gary. And not Clay either. Interesting, eh?

^correction... Asking any old BHUB members

@Bob : Thanks for the info. I'm not on FB, but I actually emailed Jimmy and asked about this song, and if we did it on OBH (old bandhub). He wasn't sure, but said he'd ask around, so I guess that's why he posted the question. Hmmm. I really thought I covered it on OBH, but nobody saved a copy. Oh well, that's why we're doing this version which will turn out the best anyway! Now, if only Jimmy and Gary would both join us here in NBH (New bandhug). They are the best horn players I know of on the internet. And we need a brave, old guitarist who knows the song well too. Or else we might just have to sync up the original guitar so it will sound right. But hopefully a really good guitarist will join us instead.

@CopyCat : We'll get a good guitarist. I have faith. It's a pretty hard song to play, but I remember a few people on OBH that could do it, and a few here, too. But whether they want to put the time in, that"s another thing. So much of my drumming is not cover quality, but I strive to feed off the guitar during lead breaks in certain songs, and this song, and band is like that. It's a crazy hard lead. As so many, which is why I'm always willing to lay down other tracks to match what comes in, as long as it inspires me, ykwim? Doesn't have to cover, as long as it inspires.

@Bob : Right :)

Not sure my count in makes things better or worse. I did it on my phone, uploaded, and guessed at a negative time adjustment. I tried for a six count but there isn't the space.

@Bob : I just uploaded a short drum intro (you) that fits. Another option you can consider.

@CopyCat : Cool. I'll check it out tomorrow when I get back home..

I thought of that. I'll wait to see who offers to come in. Nice thing about hitting the opening cue is that you can hit the cancel button immediately and start over. So much easier than going through the whole song and missing the tag for the outro. Lol.

@Bob : Right :)

Yes. The timing was tough and I'm close but not quite. There's a bass track in there for ya Bob.

@cDub: Pretty great. I feel like I might be off on the timing a bit too. Like at the outro. Close but not quite. I'm going to move things around in the studio when I get home and try again. Also need to lube my pedals. :)

@Bob : I need to lube my fingers :)

@cDub: @cDub: lol. Me too. Fingers, knee joints, ankles, and wrists. I don't twirl or toss sticks anymore. Once in awhile muscle memory kicks in and the outcome is usually hilarious. Thank you "cancel" button. The other day I sprained my wrist putting on a sock.

@Bob : lol. That's why I go barefoot around the house.

I'm sure they are. I'm away from the studio and at the moment can only use my phone, which means I can publish and not much else. Sometimes, when collabs get big, I can't apply publish from DAW. But I'll try that now. After it published, if you want me to publish further adjustments just give me a heads up in the comments section and I can get right on it.

@Bob : I can adjust my times and volumes from studio, if it's easier for you to publish from there. Whatever.

@Bob : Panning and reverb adjustments made for all 3 vocal tracks in studio. Just needs another publishing.

@CopyCat : Save and end another DAW submission so I don't screw it up.

Oh wait, I'll publish from studio.

@CopyCat : Dude. The vocals are AWESOME!!!!

@Bob : Yeah, you got it. Panning can't be published from DAW, only from studio.

@Bob : Thanks, Man! This song is QUITE familiar to me, therefore very easy to make sound good. And if I may say, your drumming on this is so smooth and seemingly effortless. And IMO your drums tone sounds awesome. You laid the perfect foundation for this collab, which made me want to join in. I appreciate the invite! :)

@CopyCat : ... :))

Those 3 tracks merge wonderfully!

cDub: I think I have the track aligning figured out. These BH tools really allow you to fine tune the track alignment as much as you want. Now, if it gave us the ability to split the tracks up and work with segments, that would be really nice. For now, we have to keep the entire track whole. admin :)

@CopyCat : Yeah we have limits with our DAW but you can always download edit and upload. Maybe duplicate the tracks and edit.

@admin: Yeah, that's another nice feature that OBH didn't have. Thank you guys for giving us more flexibility. You saw the need, and delivered. Next on your to-do list should be growing the user base into what OBH had (at least). Unfortunately, at this time, Bandhug seems to be one of the world's best kept secrets. Being the only website of it's kind on the internet right now, I believe bandhug has the potential to reach the majority of online musicians in the world, instead of this tiny minority which includes many non-musicians here just for the fun of it. One day, I believe that will happen, whether to this website or to a new one that knows how to market it. The focus should really be on acquiring quality musicians, in order to really make this site grow. Right now, it seems like bandhug is much more about friendship than musicianship. That's fine, but it's not really gonna grow and reach the world being just another social networking platform. Just lending my opinion, FWIW.

@CopyCat : Catch 22 situation, Need funding resources and site is free,. Potential investors have walked away when they see it is free. To start charging a fee, need funding for programming. There are a lot of things we could and should do. I hear you. Pablo from OBH even told me that if we just want to be a small community to keep going as we are. If we had the funding I would hire marketing experts and more programmers to develop the sites capabilities. I am open to any and all suggestions to raise funding and or recruit new users.

@admin: Go on Shark Tank!

@Namm: Very popular TV show. Google it.

@CopyCat : Your not the first to tell me that. Never even seen shark tank. Will have to take a look.

@CopyCat : Sorry I was logged in as NAMM when I first replied.....I just applied online for shark tank.